June 14, 2012
June 13, 2012
…Warchant.com obtained the two-page, bullet-point outline of talking points from Barron’s conference realignment discussion which took place during the BOT’s quarterly meeting at the Ringling Museum in Sarasota. Barron, Allan Bense, who was named the new Board of Trustees chairman on Friday, and former BOT chair Andy Haggardtold Warchant that Barron’s discussion was a matter of educating the trustees and no formal plans have been put in place to further analyze realignment.
“Of course any decision you make is on a whole host of things including comparing apples to apples, not apples to oranges on what the resources are like,” Barron said. “And so this board got a briefing on the apples and oranges and all of the different factors. We’re not seeking anything, we are not expecting anything, there are not any conversations are going on.”
So Conference USA is still looking to expand its membership, as stated in an official release from the league office on Monday.
That means CUSA will remain an active player in the never-ending game of musical chairs in Division I athletics. And more specifically, MTSU will continue to be in play for a potential spot in CUSA.
June 12, 2012
June 9, 2012
…”We’re not seeking anything. We’re not expecting anything. There are no conversations going on (with the Big 12),” Barron said, reiterating comments he has made at other points during a conference realignment drama that has taken on several twists and turns that he argues have been out of his control.
“There are a lot of reasons why conference issues are in the news,” Barron added. “More money is one of them. Another one, quite frankly, is sort of a feeding frenzy over this particular topic. It gets a lot of people’s attention, and they have a lot of opinions.”
June 7, 2012
…The conference commissioners agreed in April to discuss a four-team format, and table an eight or 16-team format, but Woodson said he would be open to discussions about an eight-team field.
“A four-team model is probably where people are converging but there are questions about whether that is accessible across the country to enough talented teams,” Woodson said.
…You’re welcoming Texas A&M and Missouri into the SEC this season. There is a lot of shifting lately in conference alignments. Do you think this is good for college sports?
Slive: Whether it’s good or not good I think will be something we’ll be able to judge in the future. Is it good for the SEC? I think it will be very good for the SEC. Is it good for college sports? I think it might. The question of rivalries is always underlying these questions. We would love Kansas to play Missouri and Missouri would like to play Kansas. It’s not the SEC or Missouri that’s not making that happen. We would like A&M to play Texas. It’s not the SEC or A&M. It’s Texas that says they don’t want to play A&M.
Do you think expansion is done nationally, and is the SEC finished at 14 members?
Slive: I still view 14 as an extension of 12. Going beyond 14 is no longer an extension of 12. Maybe the Pac-12 and Big Ten scheduling alliance may be their way of answering that question. I can only speak for us. I think it’s going to take us some time to absorb these two institutions. At this point, I don’t see us adding more. We’ve never been trying to get 14 so I don’t see us necessarily trying to get to 16.
Mike Casazza is the WVU beat writer for the Charleston Daily Mail.
And here I thought we WVU people were rescued from expansion madness. I think there’s a Godfather III line about this. Not sure which.
Seems trustees meet to discuss, among other things, conference affiliation matters. I’m assured “Nothing to see here” release comes Friday.
Something I said? Not sure why, but Florida State folks are emailing me and insist this is a big weekend for future of athletics there.
June 6, 2012
…Brandon expects more conference expansion to take place this summer.
“Conference expanding and realignment — there’s more to come,” Brandon said. “I actually believe this summer you’re going to see some activity.
The Big Ten, now at 12 teams, has the luxury of sitting back and watching.
“We’re in the enviable position of not having to do anything,” he said. “We’re stable.”
…One more: Since 2005, the Big East has had three teams finish the season with just one loss. Two of them — Cincinnati and Louisville — are remaining members. Let’s add in future members, just for fun. That would give the Big East six more (Boise State 5, Houston 1). By comparison, the ACC has had zero teams finish with just one loss in the same time frame.
So why is it nobody is even talking about the ACC being left out from its seat at the table?
Oh, because the Big East is losing a bunch of teams and adding a hodgepodge? Boise State had two BCS appearances in the past six seasons. That equals the total number of BCS appearances from departing schools West Virginia, Pitt and Syracuse during the same time period.
June 5, 2012
Brandon expects more conference realignment and expansion “I sense another round”
Brandon says re: expansion that large conferences w big tv deals will get bigger. He sees moves to more 16-team conferences
…It lists the following bowl games as possibilities: the San Diego County Credit Union Poinsettia Bowl, the Hawaii Bowl, Las Vegas Bowl, the Armed Forces Bowl in Texas and the Liberty Bowl in Memphis.
…This year, the Big East has agreements with the Bowl Championship Series, the Champs Sports Bowl, the Belk Bowl, Pinstripe Bowl, BBVA Compass Bowl and the Beef O’Brady’s Bowl. None are west of Alabama.
…The Chronicle of Higher Education obtained the paper and summarized the results:
On average, colleges that moved to a new league saw about a 3-percent decrease in their admit rate (meaning they became more selective) and a 5-percent increase in their admission yield rate (more admitted students enrolled) three years after joining the new conference. The ACT scores of incoming students increased by more than .29 points. And the colleges saw a net gain of about 130 applications per year three years after their moves.
The biggest winners of realignment from 2004-2011? It appears the schools that jumped from the Big East to the ACC such as Boston College and Virginia Tech. TCU, the study noted, also saw gains after leaving Conference USA for the Mountain West after seeing applications jump 50 percent.
…”I think the room is excited and energetic,” commissioner Craig Thompson said Monday at the conference’s spring meetings. “There’s a sense of momentum. These people, meaning some of the new members coming in like the Fresno States and Nevadas or Hawaii in football, those guys have played each other for decades. It’s not as though, ‘Oh wait, here’s somebody new.’ They’re more like a cousin or in-law. We’ve known them and have been going to the same Thanksgiving dinner for years. It’s not as though we have a whole new mind-set.”
…”San Jose State and Utah State are participating in these meetings in anticipation of next July when they’re members,” said Thompson. “I think the tendency is that we’ve gotten to a point where we’ve gotten to 10 football-playing members so let’s maybe take a pause, collect our breath a little bit and see where any future changes may lead people.
“There’s still great interest in the Conference USA perspective of we have some similarities and we’re going to play them in two of our five bowls and scheduling purposes. But that would probably be the extent at this point.
June 4, 2012
…”I think that generally, (the presidents) would favor a four-team playoff,” commissioner Craig Thompson said. “They would prefer an eight-team playoff, like we proposed three years ago, and a 16-team playoff like we proposed. We’d like it to be more than four but four is a step in the right direction.”
The BCS released a statement in late April saying that eight- and 16-team playoff options were firmly off the table once the BCS contract runs out after the 2013-14 season. Thompson sees the next contract lasting six to eight years, so he doubts any expansion of a four-team playoff would occur in the next decade, but he still maintains that it would be best for the Mountain West and college football to head in that direction.
…”We’ve been talking about it for a good month,” he said. “There will be various components that every FBS school gets a percentage, certainly if you’re one of the four teams you’ll get a (bigger) percentage. There’s been a tendency toward recognizing past performance of particular teams. We’re supposed to meet again next week.
“I would prefer you get recognized for when you play in those games. It seems to be tracking, like basketball, that the money will carry forward with the conference you are in at the time. Meaning if TCU is no longer in our conference it would go to the Big 12, Utah to the Pac-12, etc. I like the basketball model where if you earned it, it stays in that league, but I’m in the minority there.”
…”The key issues are honoring champions, honoring strength of schedule, honoring teams and coaches that try to play good schedules and recognizing a team that plays an additional championship game versus one that doesn’t has an additional obstacle of challenge,” Delany said.
He has floated the idea in the past that top three conference champions and an at-large team make up the playoff field “as a way to think about who’s in the event” but isn’t married to that concept.
“We do feel strongly that champions ought to be honored,” Perlman said. “There was little disagreement that the polls and certainly the computer polls are not sufficiently transparent. People don’t respect them as much as they could. They can’t take into account a variety of circumstances. I think we would feel comfortable with a selection committee, but even if you move to a selection committee, I think there are issues about what instructions they’re under with regard to how they determine who the best four teams are. We didn’t resolve that at this point.”
…Delany said he’s no fan of mega conferences. Asked if he envisions a day where teams from four super conferences compete for a shot at the national championship, Delany he said, “I don’t see that.” He added: “I think what you’ll see is some conferences grow. Some stay where they are. … We had one 16-team conference — it was the WAC. It didn’t stand very long. We had another conference that went to 12 members and then had to add two to get back to 10. We’ve seen the Big East morph in a variety of ways. I think one of the most underrated qualities about any conference is its stability and the glue that holds it together.” He said conferences that expand too much run into “possible dilution issues.” … Delany said it’s not clear how much extra money would be generated by a playoff and probably won’t be until after system is hashed out. “We have TV consultants, but they really cannot test the marketplace until they know what they’re selling,” he said. “And they won’t know what they’re selling until we reach closure on the model — the who and the how. … I think there’s a general consensus in the industry that it’s a good marketplace for college football.”
…”One of the most underrated qualities about any conference is its stability and the glue that holds it together,” he said on Monday’s league conference call. “And I think whenever you go beyond a certain level, you’re running into possible dilution issues. … The larger you are, the less you play each other. The less you play each other, the less tradition you have and the less those games tend to mean, if they can’t be repeated over and over.”
…I’m not a consolidationist,” he said, before adding, “not a pure consolidationist.”
Delany called the 16-team superconference possibility “not that likely. But who knows? My crystal ball is not that clear.”
…While the Great West is a nice conference, we’re pretty sure he was talking about the Pac-12 and we’re also pretty sure every Pac-12 member just rolled their eyes. Hawaii tried this before. When expansion first started and the Pac-12 was looking at Colorado, Utah, BYU and a few other schools (namely those in the former Big 12 South), teams such as Hawaii and Boise State threw their hat in the ring to be considered by commissioner Larry Scott. Many schools were shot down because of their lack of quality academics, proximity or just because the Pac-12 didn’t like them.
…”And, there are schools that I’d certainly like to be mentioned with in the same breath,” he said. “So, I think the idea that we try to aspire to be a great university that is thought of in the company of the other great universities is something that we should think about for athletics.”
More than just being around “great” universities, Apple has to be thinking about longterm preservation of the university’s football program as the college football landscape begin to heavily favor conferences such as the SEC, Big Ten, Big 12 and Pac-12 and slowly push out everyone else.
I didn’t know that the ACC could re-open the contract in five years. Is this what Slive called a look in in the past?
…Though there are details yet to be worked out syncing the two contracts together, the payouts next year are expected to be $20 million for Big 12 schools. (TCU and West Virginia will only be given a 50-percent share and will not receive full shares until 2016.)
Meanwhile, Florida State won’t reach the $20-million mark until the back half of the ACC’s deal with ESPN.
…Yes, the ACC has a chance to re-open its television contract in five years. By then, it’s entirely possible Florida State will have rejoined the nation’s elite and become a championship contender yet again.
Delany says he’s not a “consolidationist” regarding expansion. Repeats that bigger leagues mean playing each other less, losing traditions.
Mark Silverman: #BTN in 51 mil homes, 30 mil have BTN2Go, now in 20 countries internatiomally
BTN president Mark Silverman says network has more than 50 million subscribers. Has more subscribers outside nine Big Ten states than within
Delany says Big Ten will distribute a record $284 million to members this year. Nebraska won’t receive full share for a few more years.
June 3, 2012
…Two independent analysts told the Orlando Sentinel they think the Big East should be able to exceed the nine-year, $1.4 billion television- and multimedia-rights offer it turned down from ESPN last year. Navigate Research, a Chicago-based company that specializes in sports-market research, projects the Big East will earn a contract worth about $167 million per year, which would provide about $11 million for all sports members, $7.8 million for football-only members and $3.2 million for nonfootball members.
…•The league’s vast geographic footprint.Jeff Nelson, analytics manager for Navigate Research, said the Big East doesn’t have a blockbuster lineup of teams such as the SEC and other BCS conferences can offer, but it still represents teams throughout the country that people will watch on television.
Once new members join the Big East in July 2013, it will have teams in the 13 of the top 50 media markets spanning four time zones. The conference will represent nearly 32 million television households, which is twice as many as any other conference in the country.
…•Brand name. One more thing the Big East has over the proposed C-USA-Mountain West alliance is brand name. Simply because it has been a BCS conference in recent years, the league holds more perceived value, even if the teams are different.
…•Competition among networks: Steve Herz, a sports-marketing specialist and president of New York-based IF Management, said competition among the television networks and holes in the programming schedules will help the league earn the money it needs.
“ESPN and Fox do not want to see NBC get a major chunk of college-football and college-basketball games,” Herz said. “They’re going to pay to protect their hold on the market. Under any other market conditions, the Big East would probably be in trouble. But right now, they’re in a great position to exceed ESPN’s original offer.”
There are currently 75 schools in what are today called AQ conferences (including the BE’s future additions). Then you have Notre Dame and BYU as independents for 77. I won’t get into a discussion about the BCS I’m just using those schools as a starting point because I believe that they all deserve a spot at the big boy table.
If you throw in Air Force for 78 and you only need two more schools to reach the magic number of 80. I’ll go with Southern Miss and East Carolina from C-USA. I will not include Army since they have said that they cannot compete in a top of the line conference. Below are eight 10 school conferences that I believe could make up a new classification or start a new organization of college football schools.
1 – Northeast
- Miami and Virginia Tech go with the Northeast because of their history with the Big East and the history of South Carolina with the old ACC schools.
2 – North
- Self explanatory. The old Big Ten.
3 – Atlantic
- The ACC pre-Big East raids plus old conference mate South Carolina.
4 – Southeast
- Self explanatory. The pre-expansion Southeastern Conference.
- Many might say that this conference is too weak compared to the other conferences and that ND doesn’t belong. ND doesn’t belong anywhere because of their history as an independent.
6 – Southwest
- Eight schools from the old Southwest Conference plus the Arizona schools.
7 – Plains
- The old Big 8 plus the Utah schools.
8 – West
San Diego St
- The Pac-8 plus Boise and SDSU. I though of putting those two in the grab bag conference and having some combination of Utah, BYU and Colorado here but went with geographic common sense.
I’ve decided to add a new post on Sundays and will update that during the week.
June 2, 2012
Honesty is the best policy…
…West Virginia was included in the Big 12’s 2011-12 bookkeeping, however. That’s because the school received $10 million in the form of a loan to help pay the settlement with the Big East. As reported back in February, the Big 12 gave the money to WVU with half to be repaid with interest and the other half to be forgiven.
…Until that time, WVU will get partial shares of Big 12 revenue sharing – a 50 percent share in 2012-13, rising to 67 percent the next year, then 85 percent and a full 100 percent in 2015-16.
Still, as Friday’s announcement of the Big 12 cuts show, even the smallest of those percentages is greater than what the school reaped from membership in the Big East. The expected $9 million share this year is actually on the high end as a matter of course, thanks to WVU’s Orange Bowl appearance and recent success in NCAA basketball tournaments. All of that – bowl revenue, NCAA tournament credits, etc. – is included in the revenue sharing doled out by conferences.
…To start a network, the SEC and ESPN would need an arrangement that makes it a viable financial risk for both parties. ESPN owns the majority of SEC football games for another 12 years, so the SEC can’t shop a channel on the open market until then. There would have to be added value on ESPN’s side as well to go in together.
The earliest an SEC channel could start is 2014, although there’s no given that it could be functional by then. That is the year ESPN receives back all of the syndication rights it sublicensed to Fox Sports and Comcast.
…Four years ago, ESPN provided groundbreaking money and exposure to the SEC in exchange for most of its content. The biggest asset was acquiring nearly every football game not owned by CBS (usually one per week) or each school (one per season).
ESPN constructed the arrangement specifically to prevent the SEC from starting its own channel. The SEC receives an average of $150 million a year from ESPN over 15 years, according to the SportsBusiness Journal, which first reported the channel discussions. “We sort of broke ground on major media contracts and I think the others have followed along and actually moved the ball a little bit further,” Machen said.
…Until the SEC expanded, it was riskier for the league to try a channel because the conference’s geographic footprint had about 21 million cable homes. The SEC’s states now have about 30 million households, rivaling the Big Ten’s cable population.
June 1, 2012
…“That’s total hogwash,” Virginia Tech athletic director Jim Weaver told me Thursday. “I promise you there’s nothing going on with Virginia Tech and the SEC. … It’s just so stupid.”
So many networks will keep the value high for college sports. Will it keep going up?
…Is there enough viewer demand for multiple sports networks? And can the newer all-sports networks pose a challenge to ESPN as far as siphoning away viewers?
Sports fans have an unbelievable appetite for sports content. People laughed when ESPN launched as a standalone sports network [in 1979]. Then each time they started a new network like ESPN 2 and ESPNU, there were skeptics. But there is plenty of room for everybody. We have a fantastic opportunity to find an audience and grow.
So, really, why did the SEC — a conference with a five-year national championship streak, the nation’s biggest and most intense fanbase, and a record-smashing television contract that still hadn’t lost its “new car smell” — decide to fix what wasn’t broken and expand by two teams in 2011?
This one tweet from CBSSports.com’s Brett McMurphy explains almost everything:
…Lined up side-by-side, the SEC has increased its per-team payouts by a little more than $600,000 from last year to this year, while the Big Ten has done so by $1.8 million. Percentage-wise, that’s a 3 percent increase vs. a 7.9 percent increase–and in raw figures, a bump for the Big Ten three times that of the SEC. (For what it’s worth, the Big 12 announced Fridaythat it’s distributing some $19 million to its member schools.)
Neinas: “It’s no secret. We meet and talk about the Big 5.” That does not include Big East.
…Irish echoes may be waking up to conference affiliation sooner than they thought.
“I think they’re interested in what’s happening in the BCS, because that’s gonna impact their future,” Texas AD DeLoss Dodds said at Big 12 spring meetings. “They need to know what’s going on there before they decide if they’re gonna make any kind of adjustment in their affiliations.”
…“I’ve got really positive feelings about Notre Dame. The possibility of them being a part of our conference would be a great discussion to have.”
San Diego State and Boise State stand to earn about $7.8 million annually from the new TV deal coming up for the Big East Conference, according to estimates by an independent national market research firm.
…According to Navigate:
•Football-only members in the Big East stand to make $7.8 million per year. Basketball-only members would make $3.2 million per year, and full members in all sports would make $11 million. SDSU and Boise plan to join in football only on July 1, 2013.
•If SDSU and Boise State stayed in the Mountain West instead of joining the Big East, the Big East deal still probably would be at least double that of the Mountain West.
…•Even if Boise State decides not to join the Big East, SDSU and other football-only members of the Big East still would make about $7.3 million, according to Navigate.
…•If the Big East added BYU, the Big East would add value for all football members, though not by much. Navigate Research projects the TV revenue share for football-only members would jump from $7.8 to $8 million annually if it included BYU.
May 31, 2012
NCAA president Mark Emmert believes another round of conference realignment could be sparked by schools trying to position themselves to play in a proposed four-team college football playoff.
…”If there’s going to be significant movement by FBS institutions over the course of the summer,” Emmert said, ”it will be driven by that.”
Twice as much money to push realignment…
…One BCS source said the new television contract could “more than double” the current deal.
Walker does a good job of explaining what went down with the Sun Belt and where they stand.
…Here’s how it would work: If the Big 12 goes to a dozen teams (or 14, or 16) it would reinstall a conference championship game. That would crystallize what the Champions Bowl announcement helped formalize — that the base of power in college football exists with the Pac-12, Big Ten, SEC and Big 12.
“It absolutely does that …,” Dodds said of the bowl that kicks off in 2014. “It puts us in the role of being in the top four.”
In that scenario, the Big Four all would have conference title games. That means eight division winners playing off for four conference titles in leagues that have won national championships in 16 of the last 18 seasons. Given that history, each of those division winners, playing the top schedules in the country, could conceivably be in the running for the national championship.
See where this could be headed?
“That eliminates the ACC, Big East and Mountain West,” Dodds said. “That eliminates a lot of football teams, but you’re accurate in what you’re saying.”
…The new Big 12 TV deal is expected to be announced any day, perhaps here this week as a celebration of the league’s new-found strength. Within that deal is a clause that will give any new expansion candidates the same money as the current members (estimated to be at least $20 million per year).
One industry source said that number applies whether the Big 12 invites, “Appalachian State or Florida State.” And according to another industry source, ESPN wouldn’t stand in the way of Big 12 expansion even after negotiating a new deal with the ACC.
…“Yes, we did (discuss expansion),” Neinas said. “The athletic directors confirmed their position that they are content with 10 members at the present time.”
Neinas was asked if Florida State was discussed during the expansion conversation.
“No, the concentration was, ‘Are we happy and satisfied with 10?’” Neinas said.
…“We feel well positioned at this time with 10,” Pollard said. “At the same time, we recognize that the landscape continues to change. We’ll all wait to see what happens with the BCS. But at this point we feel that we are best positioned as a 10-member league.”
May 30, 2012
…–The money issue. SDSU football decided to move to Big East primarily because of a huge projected increase in TV revenue. The Aztecs expect to increase their annual TV revenue from about $1.2 million in the Mountain West to at least $6.4 million in the Big East, based on estimates from SDSU’s TV consultants. But what if those estimates are wrong and the real number comes in far lower?
“The way I would describe that in general terms is that this does have all the elements of a chess match in that each institution is trying to advance their athletic programs and academic programs, “ Hirshman said. “As different information comes in, we’re all going to be thinking about what we might do differently. We’ll have to evaluate that when it comes… if there are significant changes.”
Hirshman said the $6.4 million figure is the “most conservative estimate” SDSU received. Even if the deal is a few million less than that, it’s still likely to be worthwhile. Negotiations for the new Big East TV deal begin in September.
“While there is variability in some of the estimates, all the estimates continue to indicate a substantially greater number than is associated with our current Mountain West television contract,” Hirshman said.
May 29, 2012
Was there funny business involved in the ACC giving away the store to *SPN?
And Slive says the SEC isn’t expanding.
SEC commissioner Mike Slive on expansion: “Right now, we aren’t looking to get any bigger.”
According to Les, B12 expansion is a done deal.
…The latest denial of contact from a high-ranking FSU official comes ahead of the start of the Big 12′s annual meetings this week in Kansas City. Certainly the topic of expansion will come up at some point during the meetings, although it appears there’s no consensus among the current membership to add to its current 10-member league.
Is Delaware planning something?
…”We have not heard a thing and we have not approached them and they have not approached us,” said Andy Haggard, the chair of FSU‘s Board of Trustees. “If anybody approaches us, we are certainly going to listen to them. We have an obligation to Florida State to listen. You can’t close the door.”
The door to a possible relationship may begin to open this week when the Big 12 conducts its annual meetings in Kansas City, Mo.
…The Big 12’s television contract – and its payouts to member schools – is certainly a topic FSU stakeholders will find interesting.
The FSU athletics department’s board of directors approved earlier this month a 2012-13 budget that contains a $2.4-million shortfall.
Apparently, Florida State’s money woes run even deeper than that. The Democrat has learned that the department is unlikely to balance its 2011-12 budget, which closes June 30.
…Haggard, however, repeated to the Democrat that he has had no discussions with the Big 12 and would not comment specifically on any rumors linking FSU to the Big 12.
“There are so many rumors and so many things out there,” Haggard said. “There’s nothing to talk about really.”
May 28, 2012
I don’t remember this…
…The SEC already has lucrative broadcast deals with CBS and ESPN for football. But that was before expansion, and the conference has an opt-out clause.
May 27, 2012
…Athletics director Jim Weaver said the Hokies don’t plan to go anywhere.
In a perfect world, that would quiet the rumors that Virginia Tech is a SEC target and might be interested in membership.
Unfortunately, the college athletics world is far from perfect.
Weaver said Seth Greenberg was safe in his job of men’s basketball coach. Then he fired Greenberg.
…As for expansion, whether it’s Florida State or Clemson or Miami or Notre Dame, don’t look for anything soon. Acting commissioner Chuck Neinas was quoted in Saturday’s Dallas Morning News saying that losing four members and gaining two in a span of less than two years has given Big 12 membership reason to pause.
…Amid a series of routine announcements during a daily address to the small number of reporters covering the meetings, Kramer said:
“After meeting with the athletic directors and presidents, the conference will be expanding by two schools to 12 next year and we’ll go to divisions.”
May 26, 2012
…”Well, we continue to be amazed at the size of these deals,” said sports economist David Carter, executive director of the Sports Business Institute at the University of Southern California. “What the landscape looked like a year or two ago has obviously changed dramatically. … But clearly they are now in a relatively disadvantageous position based on the comings and goings in their conference.”
But New York-based sports media consultant Lee Berke believes that history will show that the Big East was wise to wait.
“As tempting as it may have been, the marketplace has only gotten hotter in the interim,” Berke said. “There are only a relatively fixed number of major college and professional sports out there, but there is an increasing number of potential outlets bidding for those properties. … Honestly, I think there they are going to do substantially better. They’ve added some strong up-and-coming football schools in strong markets throughout the country. I think that’s going to pay off for them, with the caveat that they remain stable.”
And, indeed, representatives from NBC Sports and Fox met with Big East officials in Florida at the annual conference meetings last week. ESPN was also present, and it seems that all three outlets have strong interest in the conference.
The current deal with ESPN expires in June 2013 and ESPN has exclusive negotiating rights starting in September. The challenge for the Big East between now and then is to keep the conference structure in place.
San Diego State athletic director Jim Sterk came away from the Big East meetings in Florida this week feeling more committed than ever to the conference and its future.
That’s largely because, during the meetings, Boise State reaffirmed its commitment to the Big East after bouts of uncertainty over the last month.
…ESPN, Fox and NBC have all expressed interest, but it remains uncertain how valuable the reconfigured Big East is. Media speculation ranges from a contract that would guarantee football-only members like San Diego State $6.5 million annually to one that would net closer to $3 million. Either figure would represent a significant increase over the $1.2 million the Aztecs receive from the Mountain West, but would be a far cry from the $17 million-plus that schools in every other BCS conference get, and might be offset by the rise in transportation costs.
“The Big East is the last major conference going to the marketplace, and there are multiple bidders that are interested in the property, so that lends itself to some good competition,” Sterk said. “And there may be partnerships with some of the sports networks.”
In other developments from the Big East meetings:
- The ADs voted to hold the conference championship game on the campus of the higher-ranked divisional winner starting in 2013, dropping a plan for a matchup in New York City.
- The Big East threw its weight behind a national playoff model that emphasizes conference champions over a selection committee to pick the four teams.
Thursday night, Clemson board of trustees chairman David Wilkins raised eyebrows across college football by saying that CU hadn’t received overtures from another league, but “if we receive a viable option, a viable proposal presented to us by any league, this board has the responsibility to consider it, and we will consider it. Until then we’re committed to work and we will work to make the ACC the strongest conference possible.”
…1. School presidents — The top dog at any school will want what’s best for his college athletically, academically and financially. He’s the official voice of the school. Any comment from one of these guys will likely be aimed at making sure his school doesn’t look like it’s just Jock U.
2. Trustees — While the president is the face of a school, he gets his power from the board of trustees. And trustees can be very easily influenced these days. Boards often include a school’s richest booster. They can include ex-athletes (Derrick Brooks served as an FSU trustee until recently). They can include some loose-lipped, reactionary folks who care more about football wins than the long-term good of their school as a whole. And they can include some pointy-heads who could give a flip about sports. They’re basically loose cannons and no one can know who’ll talk or what they’ll say next.
3. Athletic Boosters — These are the folks who can influence trustees. Their checks to a school’s athletic department help pay the bills and fund new facilities. They truly care more about football (or basketball at some schools) than educational rankings and membership in the exclusive AAU.
4. School Donors — The yin to the boosters’ yang, these folks can also exert pressure on board members. It’s their checks that pay for new libraries, new academic programs, and new classrooms. For this bunch, athletics is just a small part of what a university truly is.
5. Everyday Fans — Through the power of social media and their own wallets, Joe Grad and Steve Sidewalk-Alum now have more influence than ever before. They can shape opinions, spin tall tales, and stir up enough passion to influence boosters and trustees.
May 25, 2012
…“It’s not uncertainty for us,” Weis said. “A year ago, if I were the (Kansas) head coach, I’d probably be talking about uncertainty. Right now, it’s uncertainty for all the other teams that are outside the four conferences right now.”
Weis’ comments added credence to the growing belief that a four-conference power structure has emerged in college athletics: The SEC, Big 12, Big Ten and Pac-12. And for now, Weis says, Kansas and the Big 12 appear to firmly among the elite.
“I’m just happy to be part of … one of the four conferences that everyone is looking to get in,” Weis said. “Because the Big 12, a year ago, was a mess. It was a mess. Everyone thought it was gonna dissolve. No one was gonna be there. Where was KU gonna end up? And now, KU ended up doing just fine.”
…There has been talk that Boise State and San Diego State are having second thoughts about joining the Big East Conference. Thompson has said he has had in-depth discussions with Boise State, but it ultimately decided to stick with its plan to go to the Big East in football. Thompson said Boise State has not yet submitted a letter of withdrawal to the Mountain West and that San Diego State withdrew in football only.
Very, very interesting. Want to understand Tier 3 and other income better? Read this! As always, TIFWIW:
I really hate to link to any WV rumor board, but can’t find the original source yet. Really try to avoid reposting entire posts, but there is just too much gold to excerpt. Chock full of info and offers a better and more nuanced understanding of all that gets inaccurately lumped into Tier 3. Legit? I dunno, but it sure sounds more knowledgeable than 99% of the lunkheads arguing over Tier 3 and related issues.
…• There will be competition for the Big East TV rights when negotiations begin in the fall as there is more demand in the market with NBC in play with Fox, ESPN and CBS. However, no industry sources believe the Big East will command more dollars then the other five major conferences (SEC, Pac-12, Big Ten, Big 12 and ACC).
• There remains a desire among some member schools to leave. Multiple sources with direct knowledge of their situations told ESPN.com that Louisville athletic director Tom Jurich told the Big East board of directors that the Cardinals want to be in the Big 12 or the ACC, opting for transparency by making members aware of his school’s true intentions.
…• One veteran of the Big East said that had the league accepted ESPN’s nine-year offer last year, estimated at $1.4 billion, then Pitt and Syracuse would not have left for the ACC since it would have showed stability. Instead the offer was voted down by a 12-4 vote.
Post on Frank The Tank’s blog:
in response to zeek:
I’m not really sure we’ll ever see an ACC network. Outside of the Maryland to South Carolina region, would it be feasible? What parts of the Northeast do you get with BC, Syracuse, and Pittsburgh? Georgia Tech and Florida State/Miami would probably face coverage issues as well… It worked for the Big Ten because they’re […]
Just heard Swofford say the new 15 year contract allows for “look-ins” every 5 years to further enhance revenue such as the possibility of an ACC channel.
…For weeks and months, I had been told the Big 12 was good with 10 schools. Nine conference football games. Home-and-home in basketball league games. Good. No need for a Big 12 championship football game because it would only risk knocking a possible undefeated or one-loss team out of a national title shot with an upset.
But last week I talked to some people who said, “Well, if it’s the right two.” And that was different from what I had heard before.
I was also told that studies had been done looking at what value might be added if any of the original members of the Big East (Louisville, Cincinnati, etc.) would bring to the Big 12, and that report did not come back favorably, sources said.
That leaves some interesting candidates who could probably benefit from having the ability to launch their own network. The most likely to benefit from such an opportunity would be Notre Dame and Florida State.
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Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delany, who has floated ideas for how a four-team college football playoff should be set up, said Wednesday that any new format shouldn’t include a team that doesn’t win its division.
“I don’t have a lot of regard for that team,” Delany said in a telephone interview with The Associated Press. “I certainly wouldn’t have as much regard for that team as I would for someone who played nine conference games in a tough conference and played a couple out-of-conference games on the road against really good opponents. If a poll doesn’t honor those teams and they’re conference champions, I do.”
The Big East’s interim commissioner said Wednesday the conference is working to dispel any perception that it is unraveling following the ouster of John Marinatto.
…In the meantime, he said he’s seen no split between football and basketball schools, and said the conference is focused on making sure the public doesn’t think it is falling apart.
…Bailey takes over at a critical time for the Big East, as talks continue over the future of a football playoff. The league is also preparing to negotiate a new media-rights package in the fall. Bailey said he does not plan to be involved in the negotiations for a new television deal, which he said will be handled by a consultant who will report directly to the league’s executive committee.
“I’ll probably be informed of how they go,” he said.
Sources: ESPN’s new ACC deal comes out to 15 years for $3.6 billion. That comes out to a whopping $17M per school.
…The BCS has been criticized for many reasons over the years, with some of the harshest words reserved for the lack of consistency and/or transparency involving the computer rankings.
The new system needs to be more transparent, and Wisconsin athletic director Barry Alvarez would welcome the four teams being chosen by a selection committee, similar to the system used in basketball.
“I like a committee and I like a committee that might be diverse enough that maybe you have some national sportswriters in it,” he said recently.
…Utah head coach Kyle Whittingham, along with several other Pac-12 coaches, expressed their opinions on the four-team playoff propositions during their post-spring teleconference on Tuesday.
“Let’s go full fledged and get eight teams involved,” Whittingham said. “I want to get away from people voting to determine who will get a shot.”
New Arizona State head coach Todd Graham mentioned a format that would include six conference champions and two at-large teams, while California head coach Jeff Tedford suggested that no postseason will appease everyone.
“One of the sentiments was that the eight-team playoff would probably give everybody an equal chance,” Tedford said. “I don’t know if you’re ever going to have a situation where everyone is happy. Someone is always going to feel left out or slighted by a situation. If we’re going to do the playoff thing, then let’s do it whole-heartedly and go after it.”
ACC/ESPN deal includes right to televise 3 Friday ACC games, inc. commitment from BC & Syracuse to host 1 game on Thanksgiving Friday
The latest from Frank.
…Which is where the ACC enters the picture. As they did last year, industry sources believe that if the Irish were to forgo their football independence and join a league for all sports, the ACC is the likeliest destination.
Two reasons: First, while Notre Dame’s most natural geographic conference is the Big Ten, the school has long leaned toward the east. This dates to the 1920s, when “subway alumni” flocked to Irish football games at Yankee Stadium.
Second, Notre Dame and the ACC fit academically, a notion not to be dismissed when university presidents are making the decisions. Like Duke, Miami, Boston College and Wake Forest, Notre Dame is a private school with fewer than 10,000 undergraduates.
As with all realignment, money and television are paramount here. The Irish are renegotiating their football deal with NBC, while the ACC is revisiting its contract with ESPN in the wake of adding Syracuse and Pitt.
That means 11 of 14 schools must agree.
…1. We at MrSEC.com do not believe the Southeastern Conference has any interest in expanding again anytime soon. Sources at multiple schools across the conference — in both athletic departments and in university administrations — have told us as much. Repeatedly.
2. We do not believe there are secret discussions taking place now that would lead to any existing ACC schools moving to the SEC. That includes any combination of Clemson, Florida State, NC State, Virginia Tech, Virginia, Duke or North Carolina.
3. We do not believe even a full-scale collapse of the Big East would lead to further SEC expansion. For argument’s sake, let’s say the Big 12 grabbed Cincinnati and Louisville from the Big East (to get to 12 schools). Let’s also say such a move would force Notre Dame into the Big Ten and that Jim Delany’s league would then grab either UConn or Rutgers from the Big East (to get to 14 schools) and tap into the New York television market. And for the sake of argument, let’s also say that the ACC would gobble up South Florida and either Rutgers or UConn (to get to 16 schools). Even if all that occurred — and we think it’s highly unlikely all that will occur — we still do not believe the SEC would expand further.
…Last summer there was some debate over whether or not SEC members Florida, Georgia, Kentucky and South Carolina had banded together to keep out Florida State, Georgia Tech, Kentucky and/or Clemson from the SEC. Some said there was an official, yet unspoken SEC stance against expanding into states already making up the Southeastern Conference football. Others said there was an informal agreement among those schools and that everyone suspected they would stand together if forced. Still others said there were no such plans to block schools at all. (South Carolina officials said publicly, for instance, that they would have had no problem if Clemson had asked for an invitation… though that could have simply been a case of saying the right things in the press.)
Moving forward, even though the league has expanded, those same four schools — Florida, Georgia, Kentucky and South Carolina — could still work together to prevent one or more of their in-state rivals from joining the SEC if they chose to do so. It would still only take four “nays” to vote down any proposed new member.
…VCU and George Mason seek upgrades for their men’s basketball programs from a CAA that some within the respective camps view as excessively football-centric in recent years. ODU sees C-USA as a potential home for its upwardly mobile football program, as well as most of its other athletic teams.
VCU and Mason honchos have been noodling a move for months, while ODU’s decision was accelerated by realignment elsewhere that created openings and a frenzy of movement one step below the marquee league level.
…ODU’s athletic budget is compatible with the newly-constituted C-USA, though football will require major upgrades in a move from the Football Championship Subdivision to Football Bowl Subdivision. According to U.S. Department of Education figures for 2010-11, the most recently available period, ODU spent $5 million on football, while C-USA’s eight current members spent an average of $8.2 million on football, ranging from Marshall’s $6.2 million to Rice’s $12.2 million.
The DOE’s Equity in Athletics figures provide a comparative snapshot of athletic departments and budgets, but by no means are the definitive measure, since many schools log revenues and expenses differently.
Anyway, a list of ODU’s athletic budget and those of the 13 present and future C-USA members. These numbers, rounded up, are for entertainment purposes only.
School Total Exp. Total Rev.
…What damaged the Big East was fear. It was a palpable fear with obvious origins. The shifting occurring in other leagues, principally the Big 12, created uncertainty about the long-term viability of the Big East. It was a fear that led members to forget their own decision just months earlier to decline an ESPN contract extension worth more than $1 billion — because they thought they could do better. That’s right.
…This is an area in which the Big East always has struggled. In the past, it was a tough sell because the money really was different, but the ESPN offer showed that Big East football no longer was to be undervalued. At least in terms of TV dollars.
…When the 2011 Big East football race came down to the final day, with five of the league’s eight members finishing tied for first or a game out, how much celebration of the league’s furious competition was there? How much was the Big East doing to sell its uncommonly balanced competition?
There were 28 Big East football games last fall; 43 percent were decided by a seven points or less, 32 percent by three points or less. There was genuine drama in the games.
In the SEC, only 27 percent of games were as close as a touchdown, and only 12 percent as close as a field goal. Essentially, the SEC was a series of lovely tailgate parties interrupted by blowout games.
It’s no surprise the Big East administration couldn’t sell this to the public, though. It couldn’t even reinforce this message to its members.
The announcement Monday morning that Big East commissioner John Marinatto resigned did not send shockwaves through the college athletic community. His departure, however, could signal more big changes in college sports with the possibility the Big East basketball schools could break away from the football schools to form their own league.
…The Big East retained the Boston Consulting Group to review its organizational design and structure.
Former Miami Dolphins CEO Joseph A. Bailey III has been appointed interim commissioner.
Bailey was also COO of the World League/NFL, and Vice President of Administration of the Dallas Cowboys.
If there is a common thread, it is that football once again is at the top of the agenda, which makes the core group of basketball-playing Catholic schools nervous; a split within the conference appears to be more of a possibility than ever before.
Pretty good read of what happened with the BE.
…The Big East sans West Virginia, Pittsburgh and Syracuse certainly isn’t true to Gavitt’s vision, and only someone with disturbed visions could conjure up the future behemoth that will partner SMU, Houston, Memphis and Central Florida on the basketball court alongside traditional powers such as Georgetown, Villanova, Seton Hall and St. John’s.
…The interests between the football and non-football schools in the Big East always have been difficult to manage (the in-house squabbles reportedly hit the biggest of snafus last year when Georgetown led a charge to vote down a TV deal that Marinatto had in front of him, a decision that now can be defined as the beginning of his end). Everyone knows and even admits that football drives the bus, but it’s asking an awful lot for someone like Jim Calhoun to ride along as a powerless passenger.
To manage the two, it takes diplomacy and delicacy. The Big East went for desperation. Following the lead of Marinatto, a man who previously was in charge of the league’s administrative operations and never charged with formulating a vision, the conference went 11th-hour prom-date hunting, taking whoever would say yes instead of who might make the league attractive.
Consequently, the Big East is left with this mishmashed mess, an Ellis Island of football expats, their basketball carry-ons and signs it could get worse before it gets better. There are rumors that San Diego State and Boise State want to make like Texas State and UT-San Antonio and bag their new league before even playing a game in it; and that Connecticut still has eyes for the ACC and Louisville for the Big 12.
McMurphy on Louisville Radio this morn’n…podcast linked
2. USF President blocked UCF entry around the same time they added TCU. The other league members went along.
3. League turned down more money that the ACC schools receive per school last year.
4. Marinatto being commissioner or not has no bearing on Boise State or SDSU…the people he talks to with those schools are 100% in. Boise State having some issues with Olympic Sports but they want in and AQ status or not it about the TV Money with them leaving and they knew this was a high possibility that AQ was gone.
5. Still not settled is BCS Revenue Formula, AQ, staggered or what…still up for negotiations. Only thing for certain is that the SEC & B1G gonna get a huge piece of the pie.http://www.mysports790.com/player/?stati…d=22069136